Eva is on Netflix

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It will be higher visual quality than any of the torrents, but it’s only dubbed nope! it’s not only dubbed! there’s a new english dub, but it’s available in a whole lot of languages, including the original japanese (and english subtitles are available).

There’s a lot to say that’s critical about the series, but I also appreciate it for a lot of reasons having to deal with coping with depression, running away, and hating your parents. My relationship to this series is dialectical because I both approve and do not approve. haaaaaa

I listened to an episode of a Vice podcast from a few months ago about the first two episodes and it was a fun romp, though I’m annoyed at how flexible they are when performing gymnastics with their not-critical-enough critiques of the male gaze/fan service/porn shots all over the series. Everything is complicated.

(edited a year later to add: podcast link. and i’m looking through the headlines of vice’s articles tagged with eva and they include headlines like " ‘Evangelion’ Ruins One of Its Best Plot Beats With Sexist Tropes" and " ‘Evangelion’ Won’t Stop Leering as It Explores Its Characters’ Sexuality", and i feel like i wnated to post this as an update and as a response to my complaints about the podcast people sounding like they weren’t critical enough for me. i haven’t read those articles yet lol.)

I’ll be watching the series because I do love it and the feelings it brings up are difficult but I want to masochism myself or something, and my enjoyment::annoyance ratio of the podcast was sufficient to want to hear more when they come out in the next few weeks.

Ringing endorsement, I know. P R O B L E M A T I C S

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aaahhhhh!

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Sorry not sorry is dialectical because

/me is whisked away by a long hooked cane

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I think it’s funny you say that; because ive kind of been bouncing between various opinions on that series since I watched it in high school. People who quiz me on the show in the past few years have usually been told that im kind of waiting on the Evangelion rebuild movies to finish for my final opinion.

In terms of both philosophy of existence / psychology / identity and in terms of sheer entertainment its remarkably clever.

Weird and sometimes freaklishly traumatic fanservicey objectification elements aside, I think ive kind of become convinced its kabalah metaphor meets scifi world building bits are a hot mess. Though still damn fun.

The show was pretty formative for me too, in terms of me being at the right age right time and being introduced to anime as the show was getting big. Being an introvert with an emotionally caustic father.

Actually when I think about this comment too long it gets pretty meta. The series itself can get kinda dialectical within itself at times.

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Ive observed some discussion about recently about the Netflix localization of Evangelion but it is spoilery.

Apparently some of the lines Kaworu tells Shinji in this new Netflix localization have reframed his feelings for him as platonic in lieu of romantic love. Dunno enough about the original intent of the lines, versus how contextual the original Japanese was in terms of how big of a sin this is. I just know a few LGBTQ Evangelion fans kinda pissed about it.

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A Cruel Angel’s Dialectical Analysis

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A difficult friend of mine who has mostly descended into contrail-style conspiracy theories has been trying to get me to watch this series for more than a decade. I cannot bring myself to watch it dubbed!

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just kidding, it is available in the original japanese! i was wrong. i had misunderstood some comments i saw about the new english dub.

the netflix broadcast lost all the covers of fly me to the moon, so here are all 26: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTxRm9HD7lo

i just watched the first three episodes.

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I am extremely nostalgic for and a little heart broken they lost those. Will have to source the ADV 2000s localization at somepoint. Ive actually got a chinese dvd box set somewhere…

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Positrons are flowing in!

It is damn fun. And a hot mess.

Everything about Shinji is heartbreaking. I think it is why I watch.

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I’ve watched another six now, which means I’m paused on the beginning of episode ten.

Asuka is also heartbreaking. This second watch-through is really tearing into me. I know what’s coming for these kids. It’s also gone off the deep end by now and I know it and I also don’t care. Of course they’re gonna play out their teenage angst with a coordinated dance dance revolution game dance. Of course they are synced up and don’t even know it. Of course they’re both children.

In this rewatch, I’m marginally less confused about what’s going on, so I have time to ponder the cinematic takes, like Shinji standing across the border of the elevator door from his father, and turning away, and later standing across the threshold of Misato’s apartment, and the way Misato says “welcome back” as a joke or a funny “be at ease” jab the first time, and so heartfelt the second time when she sees that he hasn’t left on the train.

This series is touching in a way so little else that is also “cool” can possibly be. It’s so raw. And I love that it’s completely unapologetic.

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I sometimes have conflicted feelings about Eva, but one thing that is very true is that by and large these are very human characters. Im very empathetic with the whole cast, save for Gendo. On my last rewatch, now that im older I felt even more for some of the older characters. Like my heart really broke for Makoto and Ritsuko.

I’ve been thinking about this series a lot. I wanna rewatch the old ADV dub something bad. Going to have to lookup a way of hunting that down soon.

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SAME. it’s one of these series that i feel like i have to apologize for liking lol. (but i feel that way about a lot of things, like the newest one appears to be “the entire genre of opera” haha). but i actually like the cognitive dissonance of having critical thoughts about something i enjoy at the same time? i mean i don’t like having to criticize it, i wish everything was easier and already not problematic, but at least we are talking about the parts that are problematic and trying to get aware and like be better or something.

ALSO SAME

lol. my thoughts keep returning to this series too, thought i haven’t watched any more since my last post about it in june of 2019. oh my god, that was … actually an entire year ago. it doesn’t feel like it, but in other ways, this year has felt like several decades. (see also: feeling like talkgroup is a giant multiperson brain where we are allowed to process things slowly, over years. i really, really appreciate talkgroup and all of you being here.)

did you see the change dot org petition to “Replace the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square with an Evangelion” ? rofl

link: Petition · Replace the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square with an Evangelion · Change.org
full text of that petition:

Hussein Kesvani started this petition to UK Parliament

Look, all I’m saying is that no Evangelion ever caused a famine or took credit for anyone else’s work. Evangelions are also very cool, and sleek, with a more aspirational body figure than Winston Churchill.

In a post-Brexit Britain, where we journey to new shores as an independent nation we need new heroes. We need to get into the damn robot.

*Nb. I am willing to compromise, by ensuring that we will also place a giant poppy on the Evangelion if it is created.

hahahha

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i’m listening to the compilation right now. since i looked at it a year ago, i have noticed that youtube has a feature that splits up the video. so i can mouse over the progress bar and see which episode i’m currently on.

i decided to reproduce the list of all overs of fly me to the moon from a youtube commenter, because of the metadata: who’s singing it, what kind of accompaniment, what style of music they adopted.

Time - Episode combination [0:00]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTxRm9HD7lo&t=0s) Episode One ED- Normal / Claire
1:04 Episode Two ED- Normal (w/o strings) / Claire
2:09 Episode Three ED- Normal / Yoko Takahashi
3:13 Episode Four ED- Normal (w/o strings) / Yoko Takahashi
4:18 Episode Five ED- Rei #5
5:22 Episode Six ED- Rei #6
6:26 Episode Seven ED- 4 Beat / Yoko Takahashi
7:31 Episode Eight ED- Aya Bossa Techno
8:35 Episode Nine ED- Asuka Bossa Techno
9:40 Episode Ten ED- Asuka Main (w/ chorus) / Normal Orchestra
10:44 Episode Eleven ED- Rei, Asuka, Misato Version / Normal Orchestra
11:49 Episode Twelve ED- Misato Main (w/ chorus) / Normal Orchestra
12:53 Episode Thirteen ED- Yoko Takahashi Acid Bossa
13:57 Episode Fourteen ED- Rei Solo / Normal Orchestra
15:02 Episode Fifteen ED- Misato 4 Beat
16:06 Episode Sixteen ED- 3 Person Vocal interlude starts - towards the end / Normal Orchestra
17:11 Episode Seventeen ED- Aki Jungle
18:15 Episode Eighteen ED- B-4 Guitar - Piano
19:19 Episode Nineteen ED- 3 Person Vocal (singing in turns) Normal Orchestra
20:24 Episode Twenty ED- B-4 Piano
21:29 Episode Twenty-One ED- (Video Version) 4 Beat (off) (90 sec)
22:58 Episode Twenty-Two ED- (Video Version) Bossa Techno (off) (90 sec)
24:17 Episode Twenty-Three ED- (Video Version) Rei #23 (90 sec)
25:45 Episode Twenty-Four ED- (Video Version) Normal (off) (90 sec)
27:14 Episode Twenty-Five ED- Rei #25
28:18 Final Episode ED- Rei #26

it’s kinda funny to trawl through teh comments because you can watch different commenters build on each others’ work. the video description contains hyperlink timestamps and episode numbers, but no other information. another comment does not have clickable timestamps, but does include extra information with this at the end:

DVD Renewal ED (Volumes 01-07)- B-4 Piano (48 sec)
source: Fly Me to the Moon | Evangelion | Fandom

so the one i copied is clearly a combination

episode 8 is super jarring haha (bubblegum pop)

BUT NOT AS JARRING AS EPISODE 17? WTF IS THIS??? LOL (drum n bass?)

so this is really interesting to me to listen to all at once. i was or am a singer, and i’ve tried recording myself, and even for live performances, i’ve asked my singing-mates “can i sing it for you like 4 different ways and you tell me which way to sing it?” like in 1998, when i was in jazz choir in high school, i had a solo that i really loved performing and the last note was holding an F for a really long time. not a high F, just the F above middle C. the thing is, it’s right in my crack (between chest voice and head voice), and i couldn’t decide whether to hold it in my chest voice or head voice. i felt like doing it in chest voice was too strident, and doing it my head voice was too weak. it was a combination of emotional and physical. i remember asking my choirmates and my teacher to tell me which one to use and they kinda didn’t care and said they sounded similar to them. but they didn’t sound or feel similar to me! lol. i can’t even remember what i ended up choosing. i THINK it was head voice because it was the end of a longing song and i thought it would be better to leave it on a gentle/sad/longing note.

so yeah i can see how so many commenters have become obsessed with cataloging every minute difference between renditions, even renditions by the same person. some are saying “in X Y Z episodes, she’s singing it as herself, the voice actor. in A B C episodes, she’s singing it as Rei, the character” :exploding_head:

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